Lord (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Indeed. It doesn't make sense. Those people praying have no... oh GUNS!
Indeed. It doesn't make sense. Those people praying have no... oh GUNS!
Totally agree (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013)
We call the people with the silly posters the "American Taliban" and it's not because we like the taliban.
We call the people with the silly posters the "American Taliban" and it's not because we like the taliban.
infedel (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
wanna know the difference between osamas ideology and the peaceful muslim's?
well, so do i.
wanna know the difference between osamas ideology and the peaceful muslim's?
well, so do i.
faroutman (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Our negligent society has created this upon itself. And don't tell me who to judge, as we are all at fault; we have failed. Maybe it's time a massive asteroid impacted our planet and we are forced to start again.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Our negligent society has created this upon itself. And don't tell me who to judge, as we are all at fault; we have failed. Maybe it's time a massive asteroid impacted our planet and we are forced to start again.
Jānis (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Here in Latvia we have much tougher gun laws - and guess what - mass shootings here DO NOT HAPPEN AT ALL.
Here in Latvia we have much tougher gun laws - and guess what - mass shootings here DO NOT HAPPEN AT ALL.
turmus (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and tyrants will have guns...
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and tyrants will have guns...
Trollolol (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
That's only because there are 100 times less Latvians than Americans, so the probability is much less. Strict gun laws did not stop Breivik nor did they stop many shootings in Germany.
That's only because there are 100 times less Latvians than Americans, so the probability is much less. Strict gun laws did not stop Breivik nor did they stop many shootings in Germany.
Estonian (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
In Latvia man eat potatoe, not shot gun. If trouble, shot potatoe first.
In Latvia man eat potatoe, not shot gun. If trouble, shot potatoe first.
EUro (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
The USA were founded by criminals and religious nutters. So they have to have guns. All of them.
The USA were founded by criminals and religious nutters. So they have to have guns. All of them.
Anon (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
EUro, enjoy your defenseless takeove by muslims within the next 20 years...you'll look *great* in a burka, mister. Start practicing now to baaaah like a goat.
EUro, enjoy your defenseless takeove by muslims within the next 20 years...you'll look *great* in a burka, mister. Start practicing now to baaaah like a goat.
alsi (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
Also potato gun, eat
Also potato gun, eat
makr (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
@Trollolol
(visit link) -> sort by homicides -> look up United States, Latvia, Norway and Germany
@Trollolol
(visit link) -> sort by homicides -> look up United States, Latvia, Norway and Germany
circularlogic (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013)
when gravity is outlawed, only outlaws will have gravity. Your statement works for everything froutman!
when gravity is outlawed, only outlaws will have gravity. Your statement works for everything froutman!
knife thrower (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013)
It works in Europe, because there are almost no guns already. It's hard to buy a gun, quite easy to trace a gun after homicide and stuff. Europe was cleaned out of guns after WW2. But how to disarm America now ?
It works in Europe, because there are almost no guns already. It's hard to buy a gun, quite easy to trace a gun after homicide and stuff. Europe was cleaned out of guns after WW2. But how to disarm America now ?
123 (Wednesday, 6 Mar 2013)
Move to England then. We have made guns illegal and to dhow for that, we have much lower hoicide rates than in the USA.
Move to England then. We have made guns illegal and to dhow for that, we have much lower hoicide rates than in the USA.
Tony (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
O.M.G.
I WANT that AK with granade launcher al-Zawahiri has in the background :o
O.M.G.
I WANT that AK with granade launcher al-Zawahiri has in the background :o
Zelda (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Because RW "Christian" nutcases with guns in America kill a hell of a lot more Americans than Islamic nutcases 10,000 miles away from America. Not just liberal logic.
Because RW "Christian" nutcases with guns in America kill a hell of a lot more Americans than Islamic nutcases 10,000 miles away from America. Not just liberal logic.
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Zelda, Zelda, ZELDA! Enough of the DKos memes...get back on your meds. I bet you look like Loughner's sister.
Zelda, Zelda, ZELDA! Enough of the DKos memes...get back on your meds. I bet you look like Loughner's sister.
Medicine (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Mistakes made by physicians kill more ppl in US than guns. That's correct, doctors are more dangerous than firearms. Say, isn't it time for your annual check up?
Mistakes made by physicians kill more ppl in US than guns. That's correct, doctors are more dangerous than firearms. Say, isn't it time for your annual check up?
Bob Menendez (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Zelda baby, how'd you like to fly down to Costa Rica with me for a fun filled weekend? I even have a good friend that will pick up the tab.
Zelda baby, how'd you like to fly down to Costa Rica with me for a fun filled weekend? I even have a good friend that will pick up the tab.
Zelda schmelda (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Your ignorance shows, either that or you are pathetic at Trolling.
Your ignorance shows, either that or you are pathetic at Trolling.
timmy (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
Was it painful? The lobotomy? Or were you just born stupid?
Was it painful? The lobotomy? Or were you just born stupid?
Me (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
In England we aren't allowed to be armed. Thank goodness! Shootings are very, very rare here.
In England we aren't allowed to be armed. Thank goodness! Shootings are very, very rare here.
Trollolol (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Few Norwegians can legally own guns. Remember Breivik?
Few Norwegians can legally own guns. Remember Breivik?
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Riiiiiight...just murders with knives, hammers, bats and all...look at the murder statistics, child.
Riiiiiight...just murders with knives, hammers, bats and all...look at the murder statistics, child.
Skallagrim (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
@Trollolol: You obviously don`t know shit about guns and gun laws in Norway, so don`t pretend that you do. Norway is close to the top of the list when it comes to guns per capita. A large percentage of Norwegians, including me, own guns and use them, we just don`t use them to shoot each other, we`re happy to leave that to you. That one crazy terrorist attacked, could have happened anywhere. Breivik`s guns were legal, and he was member of a shooting club, as you have to be here to get to buy a handgun. He never did any shooting at the club though, unfortunately as it might have been possible for other members to discover his craziness.
Can I have a CCP here? No, and I don`t miss it, I don`t want a quarrel with an idiot to escalate to the point that he starts to shoot at me. Can I buy an assault rifle? No, but tens of thousands of people in Heimevernet (Home Guard) have them at home. Can I buy a rifle? Yes, with a permit, and it must be registered, not a big deal actually. Shotgun? For many decades, anyone over 18 has been able to buy one without a permit, so no problem.
So how many gun killings are there in this country per year? Around 2-3, last year there were 3, 2 of the victims were foreign gang members in the Oslo area (one Polish, one Pakistani). If this was the US, there would be around 80-100 times more murders by firearms here. The difference is gun culture, not the number of guns.
Remember the Haribo picture a while ago, Arsch mit ohren? That`s what you are called in Germany if you talk just shit. So before you make any claims about things you know nothing about, check first.
@Trollolol: You obviously don`t know shit about guns and gun laws in Norway, so don`t pretend that you do. Norway is close to the top of the list when it comes to guns per capita. A large percentage of Norwegians, including me, own guns and use them, we just don`t use them to shoot each other, we`re happy to leave that to you. That one crazy terrorist attacked, could have happened anywhere. Breivik`s guns were legal, and he was member of a shooting club, as you have to be here to get to buy a handgun. He never did any shooting at the club though, unfortunately as it might have been possible for other members to discover his craziness.
Can I have a CCP here? No, and I don`t miss it, I don`t want a quarrel with an idiot to escalate to the point that he starts to shoot at me. Can I buy an assault rifle? No, but tens of thousands of people in Heimevernet (Home Guard) have them at home. Can I buy a rifle? Yes, with a permit, and it must be registered, not a big deal actually. Shotgun? For many decades, anyone over 18 has been able to buy one without a permit, so no problem.
So how many gun killings are there in this country per year? Around 2-3, last year there were 3, 2 of the victims were foreign gang members in the Oslo area (one Polish, one Pakistani). If this was the US, there would be around 80-100 times more murders by firearms here. The difference is gun culture, not the number of guns.
Remember the Haribo picture a while ago, Arsch mit ohren? That`s what you are called in Germany if you talk just shit. So before you make any claims about things you know nothing about, check first.
winterhog (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
There is no picture needed. "Call yourself liberal. Limit liberties." should suffice.
There is no picture needed. "Call yourself liberal. Limit liberties." should suffice.
EU (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Americans, do world a favor and shoot yourselves. Have a civil war or something... anything; just shoot the living guts out of yourselves, already! So normal and civilized people can repopulate the continent.
Americans, do world a favor and shoot yourselves. Have a civil war or something... anything; just shoot the living guts out of yourselves, already! So normal and civilized people can repopulate the continent.
And just how many (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Millions died in how many World wars which started in Europe?
Millions died in how many World wars which started in Europe?
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Enjoy your totalitarian swill at a local cafe, chap.
Enjoy your totalitarian swill at a local cafe, chap.
UE (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
@ anon:
Nope, I'll enjoy it here. OK? If this bothers you, GTFO. Yes?
@ anon:
Nope, I'll enjoy it here. OK? If this bothers you, GTFO. Yes?
gardener97 (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
when guns were banned in the UK, crime rates soared. Do a search "At least some in the UK are talking about "attacking crime at its roots" by focusing on criminals, after all, guns are already banned so they can't blame crime on guns shooting themselves."
when guns were banned in the UK, crime rates soared. Do a search "At least some in the UK are talking about "attacking crime at its roots" by focusing on criminals, after all, guns are already banned so they can't blame crime on guns shooting themselves."
Anonymous (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
A DELIGHTFULLY FUNNY website on this matter: LiberalLogic101 DOT com. Enjoy!
A DELIGHTFULLY FUNNY website on this matter: LiberalLogic101 DOT com. Enjoy!
sama (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
US logic: lets give all the people in picture one a gun. that way, everyone is safer.
US logic: lets give all the people in picture one a gun. that way, everyone is safer.
LawGic (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
The fact remains, guns have been legal in the US of A since the beginning, and still are presently. Yet we have gun violence and mass shootings. Where does the arguement hold up that somehow keeping things the way they are now will somehow prevent things that have been and will keep happening? Isn't that the definition of insane??
The fact remains, guns have been legal in the US of A since the beginning, and still are presently. Yet we have gun violence and mass shootings. Where does the arguement hold up that somehow keeping things the way they are now will somehow prevent things that have been and will keep happening? Isn't that the definition of insane??
Trollolol (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
The fact remains, that crime level depends on many more factors than just gun ownership. If you want to really see connection between the two, you have to look at changes induced by increasing/decreaseing control of guns. And that almost invariantly comes out in favour of gun ownership.
Lithuania has strict gun law and 50% higher murder rate than US (see (visit link))
The fact remains, that crime level depends on many more factors than just gun ownership. If you want to really see connection between the two, you have to look at changes induced by increasing/decreaseing control of guns. And that almost invariantly comes out in favour of gun ownership.
Lithuania has strict gun law and 50% higher murder rate than US (see (visit link))
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Failed logic! Try ENFORCING the laws on the books (too many already...). Furthermore, criminals BY DEFINITION do *not* follow laws...so WHY would new laws which infringe on rights of law-abiding citizens help? Fail, child, FAIL.
Failed logic! Try ENFORCING the laws on the books (too many already...). Furthermore, criminals BY DEFINITION do *not* follow laws...so WHY would new laws which infringe on rights of law-abiding citizens help? Fail, child, FAIL.
Skallagrim (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
@Trollolol: Took a look at your link and found statistics over total murder rate, not just firearm-related, as we were discussing here. Don`t you know the difference? While Lithuanians do have quite a bit of Mafia-related crime, there really aren`t many murders committed with firearms (f.ex. 6 in 2010). Also, in a country as small as Lithuania, the numbers will vary a lot from a year to another. I would prefer to look at the average over a decade. Compared to 2010, the 2012 figures for Lithuania looks very high indeed, but we can see that if we pull out the firearm-related murders from those figures you found, we get another picture. USA: 3,2 murders by firearm per 100,000 people. Lithuania: 0,24/100,000 (2010 figure 0,18), about one thirteenth of the US 2012 result. It was in your link, but of course that doesn`t matter if you don`t understand what you`re looking for.
@Trollolol: Took a look at your link and found statistics over total murder rate, not just firearm-related, as we were discussing here. Don`t you know the difference? While Lithuanians do have quite a bit of Mafia-related crime, there really aren`t many murders committed with firearms (f.ex. 6 in 2010). Also, in a country as small as Lithuania, the numbers will vary a lot from a year to another. I would prefer to look at the average over a decade. Compared to 2010, the 2012 figures for Lithuania looks very high indeed, but we can see that if we pull out the firearm-related murders from those figures you found, we get another picture. USA: 3,2 murders by firearm per 100,000 people. Lithuania: 0,24/100,000 (2010 figure 0,18), about one thirteenth of the US 2012 result. It was in your link, but of course that doesn`t matter if you don`t understand what you`re looking for.
Trollolol (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
No, it is you who misunderstood me. What I was trying to convey is that violent crime rate does not depend on gun ownership. Guns don't kill people, people do. Less access to guns only means that victims will die slower and more painful death by stabbing/strangling/drowning, you name it. If a murderer is determined to kill, there's nothing that can stop him - well, maybe a gun can.
No, it is you who misunderstood me. What I was trying to convey is that violent crime rate does not depend on gun ownership. Guns don't kill people, people do. Less access to guns only means that victims will die slower and more painful death by stabbing/strangling/drowning, you name it. If a murderer is determined to kill, there's nothing that can stop him - well, maybe a gun can.
Yay For Irrational Arguments! (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Apples vs. Oranges. Islam is the Worlds largest religion vs crazy right-wingers who have no common sense? I don't see the comparison...
Apples vs. Oranges. Islam is the Worlds largest religion vs crazy right-wingers who have no common sense? I don't see the comparison...
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
Yay for ignorant, bigotted Moral Relativists! You clearly know NOTHING of "Taqiyya" or "Kitman". YOU are the crazy one.
Yay for ignorant, bigotted Moral Relativists! You clearly know NOTHING of "Taqiyya" or "Kitman". YOU are the crazy one.
dasauto (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
That's fair enough, if you ask me; this isn't very funny, but it is true, and I would agree with liberals if all I knew of them was this picture.
That's fair enough, if you ask me; this isn't very funny, but it is true, and I would agree with liberals if all I knew of them was this picture.
Liberal (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Oh no - I judge 'em all the same! That's the thing about being Liberal - unlike the Regressives - we're equal opportunity judgers.
Oh no - I judge 'em all the same! That's the thing about being Liberal - unlike the Regressives - we're equal opportunity judgers.
Ed Wallis (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
ASK A LIB TODAY: How's that *strict gun control* in Chicago, NYC and Washington, DC workin' for ya?!?
ASK A LIB TODAY: How's that *strict gun control* in Chicago, NYC and Washington, DC workin' for ya?!?
John (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
ONE DIFFERENCE between the two groupings: the "bad boys" in the second grouping [guns] are MENTALLY ILL; the "bad boys" in the first grouping [islamists] are following the commands of their so-called totalitarian "faith."
ONE DIFFERENCE between the two groupings: the "bad boys" in the second grouping [guns] are MENTALLY ILL; the "bad boys" in the first grouping [islamists] are following the commands of their so-called totalitarian "faith."
Duffy (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
I'm for the 2nd Amendment. Everyone has the right to own a single shot musket.
I'm for the 2nd Amendment. Everyone has the right to own a single shot musket.
Ur Illiterate (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
That's not what it says. At all.
That's not what it says. At all.
Anon (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
That goes only as long as THAT is all the State would have today...but then, the FIRST Amendment would then apply to idiots like YOU *only* being able to speak on a box in a park outdoors in public...NOT on the internet. So, I guess YOU better STFU here, smarty pants. Yes, you Leftists really ARE that stupid!
That goes only as long as THAT is all the State would have today...but then, the FIRST Amendment would then apply to idiots like YOU *only* being able to speak on a box in a park outdoors in public...NOT on the internet. So, I guess YOU better STFU here, smarty pants. Yes, you Leftists really ARE that stupid!
Duffy the duff slayer (Monday, 18 Feb 2013)
My shot is aimed at the dim witted who say I only get one shot.
My shot is aimed at the dim witted who say I only get one shot.
Keggar (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Sorry liberal and logic are like oil and water they don't mix, Unless you put them in a blender. Liberals in a blender? Now that seem like a logical idea. Just kidding don't go getting you knickers in a knot!
Sorry liberal and logic are like oil and water they don't mix, Unless you put them in a blender. Liberals in a blender? Now that seem like a logical idea. Just kidding don't go getting you knickers in a knot!
Rick Santorum (Monday, 18 Feb 2013) Reply
Poking fun at people who are different than you: Conservative logic. Accepting everybody regardless of their beliefs: liberal logic. Wait a minute. Did I just use the words "conservative" and "logic" in the same sentence? Man, I'm a retard!
Poking fun at people who are different than you: Conservative logic. Accepting everybody regardless of their beliefs: liberal logic. Wait a minute. Did I just use the words "conservative" and "logic" in the same sentence? Man, I'm a retard!
Anon (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
<I>"Accepting everybody regardless of their beliefs..."</I> Oh REALLY?!? You accept Pro-Lifers, Pro-Gun-Right Advocates, etc etc?!? Your sanctimony is only exceeded by your self-righteous hypocrisy and blindness.
<I>"Accepting everybody regardless of their beliefs..."</I> Oh REALLY?!? You accept Pro-Lifers, Pro-Gun-Right Advocates, etc etc?!? Your sanctimony is only exceeded by your self-righteous hypocrisy and blindness.
Rick Santorum (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
Anon. At least I have the balls to use my real name! But this is a good example of the difference between liberals and ignorance. You just spout off a bunch of anger motivated by fear, further strengthening my original point. I accept that pro lifers are entitled to their beliefs but I do not accept their desire to impose their will on other people. That's not restricted to anybody in particular, I believe nobody should be the victim or other people's fear and ignorance. It's sad that I'm defined as liberal for wanting liberty and conserving freedom. What a world...
Anon. At least I have the balls to use my real name! But this is a good example of the difference between liberals and ignorance. You just spout off a bunch of anger motivated by fear, further strengthening my original point. I accept that pro lifers are entitled to their beliefs but I do not accept their desire to impose their will on other people. That's not restricted to anybody in particular, I believe nobody should be the victim or other people's fear and ignorance. It's sad that I'm defined as liberal for wanting liberty and conserving freedom. What a world...
Anon (Friday, 22 Feb 2013)
Your REAL name?!? "Rick Santorum"?!? HA! By infringing on gun owners RIGHTS you ARE "forcing your beliefs on others", you friggin' HYPOCRITE! Typical Leftist: too high and mighty righteous feeling to be able to see his own contradiction.
Your REAL name?!? "Rick Santorum"?!? HA! By infringing on gun owners RIGHTS you ARE "forcing your beliefs on others", you friggin' HYPOCRITE! Typical Leftist: too high and mighty righteous feeling to be able to see his own contradiction.
KJ (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
I think Muslims are stupid, but no more so than Christians or Jews. Religion sucks.
I think Muslims are stupid, but no more so than Christians or Jews. Religion sucks.
you guys are living in murricaaaa.. (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
oh yea like guns and religion are comparable. hey lets ban islam! and get more guns to murrica! oh jesus why.. why are you americans so ignorant? im not saying you should not have guns, im saying you should not have 200 guns for 100 people. and that you would not let 9 year olds handle guns.. guess what im saying is that you should all just kill your parents and then kill yourself. and yea, we had some world wars. how many wars are the us in at this very moment? dumashus.
oh yea like guns and religion are comparable. hey lets ban islam! and get more guns to murrica! oh jesus why.. why are you americans so ignorant? im not saying you should not have guns, im saying you should not have 200 guns for 100 people. and that you would not let 9 year olds handle guns.. guess what im saying is that you should all just kill your parents and then kill yourself. and yea, we had some world wars. how many wars are the us in at this very moment? dumashus.
Lord (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
I gave man the gun. The USA are my chosen country.
I gave man the gun. The USA are my chosen country.
American Buddha (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
Silly extremist people (I'm not talking about the Muslims in the picture above). Moderation is key. Now that you have all compounded the worlds problems by choosing extreme cases and extreme solutions, maybe we can use moderation to help things. Don't eliminate all guns in the country, make owning them a little more difficult. If you want to own a gun, maybe you should be required to go to a gun class a few times a year? Perhaps an occasional psych evaluation?
Silly extremist people (I'm not talking about the Muslims in the picture above). Moderation is key. Now that you have all compounded the worlds problems by choosing extreme cases and extreme solutions, maybe we can use moderation to help things. Don't eliminate all guns in the country, make owning them a little more difficult. If you want to own a gun, maybe you should be required to go to a gun class a few times a year? Perhaps an occasional psych evaluation?
LogiC (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
In Australia we have almost no gun homicides, there has been 1 or 2 mass shootings since the gun ban and the only people that have guns are the outlaws. In America there is mass shootings nearly every month, the accidental gun manslaughter/homicide rate is probably higher than Australia's total homicide rate.
Did you know most people survive stabbings? I would rather a burglar came into my house with a knife than a gun, because with the knife at least I know I have a good chance of living.
Oh yeah I believe it is legally bought guns that are used in nearly all mass shootings in America.
I don't think I've ever seen one of those outlaws with a gun, since they tend to keep to themselves.
In Australia we have almost no gun homicides, there has been 1 or 2 mass shootings since the gun ban and the only people that have guns are the outlaws. In America there is mass shootings nearly every month, the accidental gun manslaughter/homicide rate is probably higher than Australia's total homicide rate.
Did you know most people survive stabbings? I would rather a burglar came into my house with a knife than a gun, because with the knife at least I know I have a good chance of living.
Oh yeah I believe it is legally bought guns that are used in nearly all mass shootings in America.
I don't think I've ever seen one of those outlaws with a gun, since they tend to keep to themselves.
George (Saturday, 13 Apr 2013)
+1 point to you good sir.
+1 point to you good sir.
Stranded in Sonoma (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
I have a right to defend myself. It is my RIGHT TO CHOOSE to determine just what level of defense I require. If you can tell me that I can't have a firearm for self defense, then the right of self defense isn't mine, it's yours. But we've already established it's mine. Therefore, YOU HAVE NO INPUT INTO MY CLAIM AND EXERCISE OF MY RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. I am not allowed to indiscriminately shoot people; that's called murder. But they are not allowed to indiscriminately attack me with impunity. That is, I have a right to defend myself and I determine what is the level of appropriate response and force necessary to secure that right. YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION AND CANNOT BE BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR RIGHT, IT IS MINE.
The Supreme Court of the United States affirmed that your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms means that every citizen has the right to own a firearm for personal defense. This was stated clearly in the following two cases:
District of Columbia v Heller (554 US 570)
(visit link)
McDonald v City of Chicago (561 US 3025)
(visit link)
If you haven't read those decisions, I suggest you do. They prove the right of self-defense with historical precedence. You can bleat all you like about the lie that gun control reduces crime. It does not. It MAY reduce death by shootings, but the amount of other crime increases in gun control areas. Exhibit 1: Chicago. Criminals now know that the citizens are no longer able to defend themselves with deadly force. So they are easy targets for crime. And murderers just resort to things like knives and clubs. Or, they obtain a gun illegally. Remember prohibition in the United States? It was supposed to curtail alcohol consumption and alcoholism. Read any history book; they will all tell you of the absolute FAILURE of prohibition. Do you really believe that disarming the populace will reduce crime? It won't. It MAY reduce gun crime but since no one is armed, all other forms of crime increase because the people are now vulnerable.
Basically, this is similar to when the abortion fanatics and gun control koolaidians tell everyone, "If you don't want an abortion, don't get one." Well, "If you don't want a gun, don't buy one."
I have a right to defend myself. It is my RIGHT TO CHOOSE to determine just what level of defense I require. If you can tell me that I can't have a firearm for self defense, then the right of self defense isn't mine, it's yours. But we've already established it's mine. Therefore, YOU HAVE NO INPUT INTO MY CLAIM AND EXERCISE OF MY RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. I am not allowed to indiscriminately shoot people; that's called murder. But they are not allowed to indiscriminately attack me with impunity. That is, I have a right to defend myself and I determine what is the level of appropriate response and force necessary to secure that right. YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION AND CANNOT BE BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR RIGHT, IT IS MINE.
The Supreme Court of the United States affirmed that your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms means that every citizen has the right to own a firearm for personal defense. This was stated clearly in the following two cases:
District of Columbia v Heller (554 US 570)
(visit link)
McDonald v City of Chicago (561 US 3025)
(visit link)
If you haven't read those decisions, I suggest you do. They prove the right of self-defense with historical precedence. You can bleat all you like about the lie that gun control reduces crime. It does not. It MAY reduce death by shootings, but the amount of other crime increases in gun control areas. Exhibit 1: Chicago. Criminals now know that the citizens are no longer able to defend themselves with deadly force. So they are easy targets for crime. And murderers just resort to things like knives and clubs. Or, they obtain a gun illegally. Remember prohibition in the United States? It was supposed to curtail alcohol consumption and alcoholism. Read any history book; they will all tell you of the absolute FAILURE of prohibition. Do you really believe that disarming the populace will reduce crime? It won't. It MAY reduce gun crime but since no one is armed, all other forms of crime increase because the people are now vulnerable.
Basically, this is similar to when the abortion fanatics and gun control koolaidians tell everyone, "If you don't want an abortion, don't get one." Well, "If you don't want a gun, don't buy one."
MuffPlowtheFierce (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
If you really want to fix football...make everyone play without pads and helmets. If you want to fix guns, let everyone have them who wants them and make mandatory a gun training course for seniors in high school as a prerequisite for graduation. Demystify guns for the fools who don't understand them and get rid of those ridiculous high-capacity assemblies and CCP's. If you are going to wear a gun as a citizen, wear it. People who commit these horrible crimes are not mentally stable. Either as a result of a chemical imbalance or bad (no) parenting or abuse. They are crazy and are more than comfortable with the consequences of their actions. I'm sorry, but we should really be debating how to create a healthier citizenry than what to do with the mental deficients who end up with guns.
If you really want to fix football...make everyone play without pads and helmets. If you want to fix guns, let everyone have them who wants them and make mandatory a gun training course for seniors in high school as a prerequisite for graduation. Demystify guns for the fools who don't understand them and get rid of those ridiculous high-capacity assemblies and CCP's. If you are going to wear a gun as a citizen, wear it. People who commit these horrible crimes are not mentally stable. Either as a result of a chemical imbalance or bad (no) parenting or abuse. They are crazy and are more than comfortable with the consequences of their actions. I'm sorry, but we should really be debating how to create a healthier citizenry than what to do with the mental deficients who end up with guns.
CHoppelow (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
Funny how all three of those nut jobs, plus the Ft Hood guy, the Columbine kids, the Virginia Tech *******...all liberals. Yep, all of these mass shooters are/were liberals. But no, let's ban a gun that is used in less than %1 of all gun crimes and make criminals out of law abiding people. That makes more sense. A liberals logic is to stop DUI deaths by making it harder for sober people to buy cars. Idiots.
Funny how all three of those nut jobs, plus the Ft Hood guy, the Columbine kids, the Virginia Tech *******...all liberals. Yep, all of these mass shooters are/were liberals. But no, let's ban a gun that is used in less than %1 of all gun crimes and make criminals out of law abiding people. That makes more sense. A liberals logic is to stop DUI deaths by making it harder for sober people to buy cars. Idiots.
Anon (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013)
MORE LEFTIST *LOGIC* (sic): Solve "drunk driving" by banning CARS! Solve "internet stalking" by registering all computers and tracking all activity! Solve "stabbings" by banning all KNIVES!
MORE LEFTIST *LOGIC* (sic): Solve "drunk driving" by banning CARS! Solve "internet stalking" by registering all computers and tracking all activity! Solve "stabbings" by banning all KNIVES!
winterhog (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
Flame war... Flame war never changes. Gun ownership has almost nothing to do with crime rate. Urbanization, socioeconomic disparity, corruption level, wealth, regime stability, respect for police, gun traditions (hunting, militia, total ban enforced by occupying power etc.) are far more important. This is why Russia (strict control, high disparity and corruption, loathed police, shaky economics, strict weapons ban since Communist era) has much higher rate of crime, including gun violence than Switzerland (lax [and very specific] gun control, high wealth, low disparity and corruption, long hunting and militia traditions). Even better example is Russia and Japan - both have similar population and strict gun control but wealthier, way better organized and much less corrupt Japan has rate of murder 50 times lower (sic!) than Russia. Gun violence is 12 times lower, if I recall correctly. By the way, it is also half of gun murders in United Kingdom (data from 2010 and first half of 2011). If you stick to US alone, you can see that Vermont (virtually no control) shows the lowest (or second lowest, depending on the year) gun murder rate and murder rate in general per capita, while D.C. (one of the strictest if not the strictest control in the US) is firmly at the top of this gruesome ranking. Louisiana, with gun laws only marginally stricter than Vermont is second worst. Texas, allegedly a 'cowboy state' is roughly in the middle of the stack. So, it's clearly not the gun ownership that matters the most.
By the way - I think that federal rulings will make more harm than good. Statistics clearly show that gun laws should be tailored to the given state. Really, different states can differ much more that various European countries.
Flame war... Flame war never changes. Gun ownership has almost nothing to do with crime rate. Urbanization, socioeconomic disparity, corruption level, wealth, regime stability, respect for police, gun traditions (hunting, militia, total ban enforced by occupying power etc.) are far more important. This is why Russia (strict control, high disparity and corruption, loathed police, shaky economics, strict weapons ban since Communist era) has much higher rate of crime, including gun violence than Switzerland (lax [and very specific] gun control, high wealth, low disparity and corruption, long hunting and militia traditions). Even better example is Russia and Japan - both have similar population and strict gun control but wealthier, way better organized and much less corrupt Japan has rate of murder 50 times lower (sic!) than Russia. Gun violence is 12 times lower, if I recall correctly. By the way, it is also half of gun murders in United Kingdom (data from 2010 and first half of 2011). If you stick to US alone, you can see that Vermont (virtually no control) shows the lowest (or second lowest, depending on the year) gun murder rate and murder rate in general per capita, while D.C. (one of the strictest if not the strictest control in the US) is firmly at the top of this gruesome ranking. Louisiana, with gun laws only marginally stricter than Vermont is second worst. Texas, allegedly a 'cowboy state' is roughly in the middle of the stack. So, it's clearly not the gun ownership that matters the most.
By the way - I think that federal rulings will make more harm than good. Statistics clearly show that gun laws should be tailored to the given state. Really, different states can differ much more that various European countries.
John (Tuesday, 19 Feb 2013) Reply
Let's all play one of the Liberals' favorite games: LET'S *COMPROMISE*! How about we all agree to ban all guns...FOR ALL LEFTISTS/PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS!!! It's only FAAAAAIR, and ya gotta draw a line *somewhere*...;P
Let's all play one of the Liberals' favorite games: LET'S *COMPROMISE*! How about we all agree to ban all guns...FOR ALL LEFTISTS/PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS!!! It's only FAAAAAIR, and ya gotta draw a line *somewhere*...;P
Anon (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013) Reply
HEY EVERYBODY!!!! After replying to all these posts, I forgot to mention that although I am a man, I like other men as well. What I mean is I LIKE like men. And although I've accepted my attraction to the same sex, I haven't yet gotten over the shame of living a lie in my daily life. As such, I visit the comment sections of websites such as these and spew unintelligible garbage that I don't back up with facts or even opinions that aren't contradictory. Since most of you read what I write and obviously are confused how such an individual can come up with this trash, hopefully this little explanation of my background helps you understand not only why I'm wasting your time, but why I seek your pity as well. This is me crying for help.
HEY EVERYBODY!!!! After replying to all these posts, I forgot to mention that although I am a man, I like other men as well. What I mean is I LIKE like men. And although I've accepted my attraction to the same sex, I haven't yet gotten over the shame of living a lie in my daily life. As such, I visit the comment sections of websites such as these and spew unintelligible garbage that I don't back up with facts or even opinions that aren't contradictory. Since most of you read what I write and obviously are confused how such an individual can come up with this trash, hopefully this little explanation of my background helps you understand not only why I'm wasting your time, but why I seek your pity as well. This is me crying for help.
EUro (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013)
You need a burka, Lady.
You need a burka, Lady.
The REAL Anon (Wednesday, 20 Feb 2013)
Nice try at faking to be me, you moron, but FAIL.
Nice try at faking to be me, you moron, but FAIL.
Saborlas (Saturday, 23 Feb 2013) Reply
Guns are for people who suck at swords. Learn a skill weapon and you can get rid of the n00btube.
Guns are for people who suck at swords. Learn a skill weapon and you can get rid of the n00btube.
JPseudonym (Thursday, 25 Apr 2013)
Really? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Though that was probably because I actually read it instead of letting personal bias & stupidity get in the way.
Really? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Though that was probably because I actually read it instead of letting personal bias & stupidity get in the way.
Interesting. (Sunday, 24 Mar 2013) Reply
Op has made a valid point, as an independent who voted for the current president, I try to keep an open mind and try not to let bias control my views.
Op has made a valid point, as an independent who voted for the current president, I try to keep an open mind and try not to let bias control my views.
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